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Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:38 am
by Nostalgiascape
The holiday has a history that is what it is. The last time I checked my soul has not been condemned nor my house burdened because I enjoy Halloween. Sit back, relax, and let those who believe come to you to celebrate with you at Christmas time. 2 months later Then we can all be and let be.

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:23 am
by Rising Dead Man
Hey churches! Please for the love of all that is good and holy, leave gays, science, schools, holidays, books, legislation and freaking everything alone! You're really stickin in my craw! Thanks.

- one of many nonchristians

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:15 pm
by jadewik
It's funny that you mention churches and Halloween... since Halloween started out a fall harvest festival and ended up being "absorbed" by the Catholic church along with "All Souls Day" on November 1st. IMO, you can't have All Souls without Halloween because they're so... linked.

RDM- I'm deeply amused that you would use the epithet "good and holy" when telling religions to back off. Don't read into my comment-- your use of the word "holy" just made me smile is all.

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:11 pm
by ScarecrowJack
I couldn't agree more, Nos. I think the effort to eliminate Halloween is awful. That being said, I do feel the need to point out not all churches are trying to ban it. Some, most certainly, but not all.

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:33 pm
by Boogeyman
There is a move to eliminate more than just Halloween. And it isn't by the christian churches. If things continue to go the way they are, you won't recognize your country.

Btw, it is not the christians that is forcing people to pay for abortions or contraceptive, even if they don't believe in it. It is not Christianity that slaughters gays just because they are gay. Christians for the most part are fighting for everyone's right to be free.

Google Sharia Law and then get back to me how bad Christianity is. Sharia law is already gaining a foothold in this country.

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:29 pm
by ScarecrowJack
I was simply trying to point out that not all churches, or even a majority, are against Halloween. I'm sorry if I offended you in some way.

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:39 pm
by Boogeyman
Scarecrow, your post was not offensive at all. You seem to be thinking rationally. My point is that there is a religion that is bent on world domination and it isn't Christianity. Not all churches in a given faith are the same either. Westboro Baptist Church does not represent every christian.. Some churches are even pushing that social justice nonsense.

In other words, Jack, my post was not directed towards you.

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:22 am
by Li H'Sen Chang
Church freedoms are amazing and true that some will always use church or religious to use as a platform of intolerance but that makes the USA special in my opinion especially coming from another country where things are much worst.

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:56 pm
by Boogeyman
Li H'Sen Chang wrote:Church freedoms are amazing and true that some will always use church or religious to use as a platform of intolerance but that makes the USA special in my opinion especially coming from another country where things are much worst.
Thank you for adding to my point. Do you mind me asking what country you are from?

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:33 pm
by Pumpkin_Man
Halloween, All Saints Day (Nov 1st) and All Souls Day (Nov 2nd) is a 3 day observance in the Catholic Church that includes Halloween. It it not nor has it ever been the "devils holiday," because even when it wasn't a Catholic observance, it was most certainly a pegan celebration, and pegans didn't even know who the devil was prior to the rise of Christianity. All Saints Day is also a Holy Day of Obligation, too, which means that all Catholics are REQUIRED to attend Mass that day.

As for the various Christian demoninations who denounce Halloween as being the "devils holiday,' they just don'g get it. Halloween is the evening that is celebrated before all those in Heaven are comemorated and celebrated on All Saints Day. And I do agree. It is quite irksom to have Evangelicas and others leaving anti Halloween propaganda in my mail box.

Mike

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:12 pm
by MacPhantom
Boogeyman wrote: My point is that there is a religion that is bent on world domination and it isn't Christianity.
Oh no.... It's Dudeism, isn't it?!? ISN'T IT?!?!?!?!?




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Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:13 pm
by Tee
There is a move to eliminate more than just Halloween. And it isn't by the christian churches. If things continue to go the way they are, you won't recognize your country.

Btw, it is not the christians that is forcing people to pay for abortions or contraceptive, even if they don't believe in it. It is not Christianity that slaughters gays just because they are gay. Christians for the most part are fighting for everyone's right to be free.

Google Sharia Law and then get back to me how bad Christianity is. Sharia law is already gaining a foothold in this country.


Google is fine and dandy, but maybe you should try reading the actual Quran before you make sweeping statements like the above. Or maybe find some other source for your "facts" than Fox News. I could list hundreds of atrocities committed throughout history in the name of "God", and that list wouldn't even include the special modern "Christian" practices such as the treatment of Muslim women in Serbian rape camps, Fundamentalist Christian Hell Houses, "Pray the Gay Away Counseling" (which, btw, was just illegalized in California for use on teens), the religious right opposition to stem cell research that could improve life for millions, etc. ad infinitum... But unless you're willing to research further than what a few wingnuts on the internet or the boob tube have to say, how are you going to know what's true?

Every religion has it's own group of extremists. You can moan and groan about how bad Sharia law is, but what you're really afraid of is the Muslim version of "God Hates Fags". As far as I'm concerned, the best Christians are the ones who practice what they believe without pushing their ideas on others. So I can heartily second Nostalgiascape's sentiments...."Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!"

Lastly, I'd like to apologize to anyone who I've offended with this post, although I won't apologize for the content. I haven't posted here since my earlier political outburst, but I did enjoy reading all of your ideas about the holiday I love more than any other. A lot of it makes me smile ("It's Dudeism, isn't it?!?" omg I nearly fell out of my chair =) and I want to thank you all for that. But I seriously can't abide narrow minded people such as quoted at the beginning of this post. So I think it's best I move on and not rock your wonderfully spooky boat.

Happy Halloween all! Best of the season to you all!

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:04 pm
by NeverMore

Mmmm... well said Tee. I was thinking the same thing but I'm not eloquent enough to put in into vocabularic symbols.

Mac, my biggest problem with the Dudinites is that they only celebrate Halloween during October, while the rest of us? It's a lifestyle.


Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:57 pm
by Li H'Sen Chang
Boogeyman wrote:
Li H'Sen Chang wrote:Church freedoms are amazing and true that some will always use church or religious to use as a platform of intolerance but that makes the USA special in my opinion especially coming from another country where things are much worst.
Thank you for adding to my point. Do you mind me asking what country you are from?
Family is from Laos. I was born there but came to Minnesota many years ago.

Re: Hey Churches, just leave Halloween alone!

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:38 pm
by Boogeyman
I believe you mentioned once you wanted to go back. Are you still planning to that?