Know what there also are? Student loans. And here is a perfect, specific, NON-SOCIALIST example of why I voted for Obama.Spookymufu wrote:I'll adrees a few of your comments,
ever heard of the united negro college fund, thats just one option people who dont have money can take advantage of to get an education and it doesnt take from rich peter to support poor paul. There is also scholarships kids can win if they apply them selves and many other ways.
Currently, federal student loans for college are routed through banks. In other words, the government collects tax money, then loans it to banks at a very low interest rate, who loan it to students at a much higher interest rate so they can go to college. Obama campaigned on and is currently fighting to shepherd through Congress legislation that will change the program, cutting out the middle man. (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ ... me=topNews) When he signs the bill into law, the federal government will loan the money directly to students, who will be able to go to college without accumulating a mountain of debt in the process. I think most of us would agree this is a good idea; so why would congressional conservatives be opposing it?
I can go through this point by point, number by number, and if you love the sound of my typed voice I'd be happy to in private message so everyone else (who I guarantee, by this point, can not STAND the sound of my typed voice!!!) doesn't have to slog through it. But in summary:Spookymufu wrote:Obama got to be elected president not because he made something of himself, thats how he got to congress, he got to be president because;
1. he promised to take money from the rich and give to the not so rich, so he pretty much bought votes.
2. his election was a knee-jerk reaction to the anti Bush feeling at the end of his term thanks in no small part to the liberal press giving Bush a raw deal
3. he promised to pull out troops from Iraq and that made the far left nuts happy
4. Acorn
5. the liberal press made a sweet heart out of him and vilified McCain and beat Palin to a pulp
6. because he wasnt a white Republican
1. Bull.
2. Rubbish
3. Half truths
4. Nuts
5. Poppycock
6. Positively oozing with undertones I'm not sure I want to wade into
Again, even under the most LIBERAL, the most LEFT-WING, the Bernie Sanders MSNBC Michael Moore Dennis Kucinich tax structure, the millionaire would still take home THIRTEEN TIMES what the guy earning $50,000 takes home. That's not something to shoot for?!? That's not more fair?!? Really? Take away an extra eight grand from you, that's more fair?!Spookymufu wrote:as far as taxes, I think a flat tax would be a more fair way to go, yes it would mean the rich get richer but again, anyone can make something more of them selves if they are willing to sacrafice and work hard. Give people something to shoot for if they are so inclined.
I mean, look. I understand why millionaires argue for the flat tax. I get it. I do not, I can not, I will never understand why average people complain that they pay too much in taxes, and complain about how their tax money is spent, and then argue that it is more fair if they pay more so a millionaire can pay less. I just don't get it. Dude; the millionaire still takes home THIRTEEN TIMES what you do!! It's plenty fair! He's doing fine!!
Anyway, this has been fun.
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